tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post2221666044376677859..comments2023-09-14T03:17:48.891-03:00Comments on Slightly Off-Center: good will toward men... Am I A hypocrite? You be the judgeJackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10694572749056669250noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-5614369194645638802009-12-03T09:43:48.880-04:002009-12-03T09:43:48.880-04:00Jack, I think you probably know where I stand on t...Jack, I think you probably know where I stand on this issue. Though we don't agree, we can certainly have intelligent, polite discourse.<br /><br />Interestingly, my Pastor used this quote at last Sunday night's service. Seems like the idea may fit well, here.<br /><br />"Look, the secular response to the Christ story always goes like this: he was a great prophet, obviously a very interesting guy, had a lot to say along the lines of other great prophets, be they Elijah, Muhammad, Buddha, or Confucius. But actually Christ doesn't allow you that. He doesn't let you off that hook. Christ says, "No. I'm not saying I'm a teacher, don't call me teacher. I'm not saying I'm a prophet. I'm saying: 'I'm the Messiah.' I'm saying: 'I am God incarnate.' And people say: No, no, please, just be a prophet. A prophet we can take. You're a bit eccentric. We've had John the Baptist eating locusts and wild honey, we can handle that. But don't mention the 'M' word! Because, you know, we're gonna have to crucify you. And he goes: No, no, I know you're expecting me to come back with an army and set you free from these creeps, but actually I am the Messiah. At this point, everyone starts staring at their shoes, and says: Oh, my God, he gonna keep saying this. So what you're left with is either Christ was who He said He was (the Messiah) or a complete nutcase..."<br /><br />~BonoBilly Rhythmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00429054200973619281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-72801117602811607682009-12-03T09:24:54.981-04:002009-12-03T09:24:54.981-04:00Sometimes I will write a post, then feel a bit ner...Sometimes I will write a post, then feel a bit nervous about how it will be perceived or maybe I have revealed too much about myself ...makes me feel somewhat vulnerable.<br /><br />I found all your comments so very interesting to this entry. Your thoughts and ideas do help me when I am struggling with something, so thank you all for sharing!Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10694572749056669250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-60607629186180817052009-12-02T12:15:33.792-04:002009-12-02T12:15:33.792-04:00thought provoking post Jack
I agree that you can ...thought provoking post Jack<br /><br />I agree that you can only believe in God through faith. His existence can't be proven by man. <br /><br />I believe in God and this belief is the core of my life. I enjoy belonging to an "organized religion" as well.kayerjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479123027080062607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-48257138406892353202009-12-02T10:49:11.968-04:002009-12-02T10:49:11.968-04:00That's a tough one. I don't know what I a...That's a tough one. I don't know what I am, but I certain find similarity in your views. I guess I would consider myself a Christian, if that means a "follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings." I don't know if Jesus was/is God. I don't know what kind of god actually exists. Do I think the Biblical version is true? I think it has some truth, but it's man's versions of what they believed. What about all those other "books" that were left out of the "Bible" when it was put together under King James direction. What about his influence and viewpoint? Didn't that affect the message the Bible sends out? <br /><br />All these questions leave me not trusting religion, and therefore I disagree with the idea of organized religion. It seems primarily a platform by which governments can suppress a populations and promote their own agendas (which often are war). <br /><br />Are you now as confused as I am?<br /><br />I like to think of Christmas as a blending of a family holiday, celebrating equally the birth of Jesus (even as a good man) and St. Nicholas, who rescued thousands of children from slavery hundreds of years ago and of whom Santa Claus/St. Nick/Kris Kringle is modeled.<br /><br />Still confused? So am I.koreen (aka: winn)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00988838659415402046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-12576580762759820122009-12-02T10:10:55.357-04:002009-12-02T10:10:55.357-04:00Folk Wisdom by Iris Dement on Youtube.
I love Iris...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80" rel="nofollow"> Folk Wisdom</a> by Iris Dement on Youtube.<br />I love Iris Dement's sharing on this topic. <br />Your ideas are important - you have a very special brand of spirituality -<br />and I love what you do here, and share, and I can tell you are loved deeply and solidly.LarryGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149803030730349791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-53617259547643360482009-12-02T09:09:15.804-04:002009-12-02T09:09:15.804-04:00Another agnostic here, and you pretty much summed ...Another agnostic here, and you pretty much summed up how I feel about God, Jesus, and the whole conforming (and confining)aspect of religious institutions. (I just don't trust 'em)<br />Of course, you have written it down much better than I ever could.<br />So....celebrate Christmas anyway you like--there are so many traditions based on Pagan(and pre-Christian)still included in this Season.Gal Fridayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00643821953484820115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-59424423583487733202009-12-02T07:07:36.704-04:002009-12-02T07:07:36.704-04:00Oooh, thought provoking post. I have always though...Oooh, thought provoking post. I have always thought that <i>agnotic</i> means without knowledge (gnosis - knowledge), while <i>atheist</i> is without God. <br />I know a lot of people use agnostic for no specific belief, which works too. <br /><br />I grew up in a church and have a lot of good memories there. I always believed that there was spiritual strength in the group, but never bought any of the dogma. <br />There's a lot of dogma out there. I never want my beliefs to be put in a box. <br /><br />I so agree with you that many religions are divisive. It is frustrating. I wonder when our planet will get it right? <br /><br />Great post, Jack.cheatymoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06328903955238115971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-9482009390792250922009-12-02T06:52:09.314-04:002009-12-02T06:52:09.314-04:00Amen! Amen! Guess we could start our own religio...Amen! Amen! Guess we could start our own religious community.. but that would defeat the point...Cori Lynn Berghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13456599398461723452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-69571939458924756302009-12-02T04:55:59.863-04:002009-12-02T04:55:59.863-04:00i agree with a lot of your thoughts here. and ulti...i agree with a lot of your thoughts here. and ultimately i think what matters, is how you live and how you act...Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05999801833389058410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2539745216214955202.post-28003114229246139322009-12-02T00:08:49.254-04:002009-12-02T00:08:49.254-04:00I have a very similar view. I also call myself ag...I have a very similar view. I also call myself agnostic, because I don't know (and can't know) if there is a god or not - and I also think that even if there is some kind of higher being or power, he/she/it is too far above us to really be concerned with the day-to-day goings-on of humans.<br /><br />I grew up Catholic, and consider a lot of those traditions to be part of my culture rather than a religion that I belong to. So, I will probably have my daughter baptized, because it is a way to celebrate and acknowledge that she is joining my family.InventingLizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08882590455596544329noreply@blogger.com